Monday, 16 February 2015

Juice Review: Joker by Time Bomb Vapors

GetVape.co.uk is a pretty new vendor based around the idea of offering a cheap way for us Europeans to try out premium US E-liquid. They say you'll a 55% discount on retail prices. I've checked a bit around and this doesn't mean it's 55% cheaper than anywhere else, but still they are offering very nice prices. They sell everything at the same price; £4.99 for a 15ml bottle, no matter what strength you order. Currently they stock 9 different brands, and I'm going to review 5 of the juice here, starting ... right now with Joker by Time Bomb Vapors.

Joker
Tested on: Kanger Subtank (RDA at 0.4 ohm's, 20-25 watts)




The reason I chose to start with this juice when I got the package from getvape was quite simply the look of it. I really looks tempting, coloured exactly like you'd expect a blueberry/raspberry mix to be coloured. Opening the bottle just adds to this, as it smells quite strongly of ... well raspberries and blueberries. Actually the raspberry smell is quite dominant when it comes to the smell, and I probably wouldn't have noticed the blueberries if I hadn't read the description already. So by the looks and smell of this juice, I expected it to taste really fruity... but I also hoped it wouldn't taste just fruity. Some of these berry juices that I've tried have just tasted like fruit candy, with no specific fruit coming forth. The Joker on the other hand, tastes very clearly of raspberries, with some blueberries in there as well. To me the raspberries are the dominant flavor, but that doesn't mean the blueberries are not important. They are playing the important role of making this juice more interesting and not just another raspberry juice.

On the subtank I got a lot of delicious flavor from this juice. It's not too sweet, and got that really fresh smoothie feeling about it. As I said it really tastes of raspberries and blueberries... and in my opinion just that. It's not like with some juices where you wonder what they might have put in there, so I don't really need to elaborate any more on the flavor other than that I think the combination of berries works really well, and I think they've found the right balance and sweetness. Again, there are no big surprises here. The color, smell and taste of this juice is pretty much everything you'd expect from a juice they describe as "expertly blended blueberries and raspberries". Definitely a juice you should consider trying out if your into berries.

GetVape

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Friday, 13 February 2015

Plain packaging in Norway: Goverment party says NO!

On Tuesday I wrote about the Norwegian Health ministers' proposal to introduce plain packaging here in Norway, and the other government party, FRP, said then that they had not taken a position to the proposal yet. Now they have... and it's a straight forward one as well (in Norwegian, hope google translate does a decent job): They refuse to accept it, as it goes against their decided party politics which states the following:
We recognize that excessive use of tobacco and alcohol can lead to serious health problems and are in favor of public information about adverse effects. We will still oppose bureaucratic measures that aim to prevent adults from enjoying legal products. Progress Party believes it should be allowed to promote any products that can be legally sold in Norway.
So apparently there will be no trade done like suggested on Tuesday, when one member of FRP stated that legalizing e-cigarettes would be a demand from FRP if they were to support plain packaging.

This does not mean that we won't see e-cigarettes legalized after all. In the article I linked above it says that Høyre, Health minister Bent Høie's party, also want to make e-cigarettes legal. Reading the rest of the article though, it does not seem like this is something the party as a whole have gone public with yet, like FRP has done. However Sveinung Stensland from Høyre (who is also a menber of the healthcare committee) says he gives his full support to FRP in this matter. Being a pharmacist as well, Stenslands position on this should weigh pretty heavy when Høyre decides on their official position. He even goes far in saying this should have been done long time ago.

It actually looks we are closer to a repeal of the e-cig sales ban here in Norway than ever before. But if this is going to happen the government parties needs support from some of the other parties as well as they are a minority government. None of their closest cooperation parties have taken a stand yet as far as I know. Then there is a question of what they actually mean by making it legal for sale. How will it be regulated and taxed?

I'm really not sure how this will end, but I feel slightly optimistic today :) At least vaping and e-cigarettes have gotten quite a lot of media coverage lately, and it's not junk science and scaremongering. For example Dagens Næringsliv, which I think is the biggest financial newspaper here in Norway, had a pretty long well balanced article yesterday, with positive statements from both SIRUS (The Norwegian Institute for Alcohol and Drug Research) and members of NDS (Norwegian union of vapers). SIRUS also recently published a new report (an anthology actually) on e-cigarettes entitled "What significance do electronic cigarettes have?", where they debunk the gateway theory, criticize junk science and kind of concludes that e-cigarettes will be hugely positive for public health. In addition to this I know that a lot of Norwegian vapers are now mobilizing and planning how to get the truth out to the public via the media.

So things are looking better here in Norway at the moment. Hopefully this positive trend will continue, so more smokers in this country will have the opportunity to experience what we vapers already have. They are the ones we're fighting for here.

CosmicCharlieVapingBirdy

Thursday, 12 February 2015

The latest lies from WHO

Yesterday the WHO released an article (or something like that) entitled “What everyone needs to know about e-cigarettes”. This represents a new all time low from the WHO, and from the looks of it, their friends in the pharmaceutical industry. It is quite amazing that they have managed to get so much misinterpreted evidence, ignorance, contradictions and straight out lies in such a short article. So what's wrong with it? Well... to be honest, practically every single last bit of it is wrong. I'll break it down for you and comment on each paragraph:

What are e-cigarettes (electronic cigarettes), and how do they work?

E-cigarettes are products designed to deliver nicotine or other substances to a user as an aerosol. Using e-cigarettes simulates smoking cigarettes without burning tobacco.
Typically, e-cigarettes are composed of a unit powered by a rechargeable battery, a replaceable cartridge containing liquid and an electronic atomizer that, when heated, converts the contents of the cartridge into an aerosol that the user can then inhale. The liquid contains four main ingredients: propylene glycol and/or glycerine as a base for producing the aerosol, flavours and optional nicotine.

E-cigarettes are often shaped to look like their conventional tobacco counterparts (e.g. cigarettes, cigars, cigarillos, pipes or hookahs). Some are made to look like everyday items such as pens or USB memory sticks, or produced as larger cylindrical or rectangular objects.
They almost know what an e-cigarette is... but amazingly they managed to start out the whole thing with a lie. E-cigarettes are not designed to deliver other substances than nicotine. What they are trying to get people to believe is that e-cigs are designed to deliver other drugs as well. They can be used to deliver other drugs... but they are not designed with that in mind. That is like saying cars are designed to be means of transportation ... and murder. Cause it can easily be used to run over and kill pedestrians. It's an idiotic thing to write and they only do it to demonize vaping by connecting it to drug abuse. By this logic a plastic coke bottle, an apple, tin foil, shoe-boxes, asthma inhalers and even bibles are things designed to consume drugs (http://www.oocities.org/groda_lotsapot/bongs/dispbongs.html).

So e-cigarettes contain nicotine?

Yes, most of them contain nicotine, an addictive drug. E-cigarettes contain and deliver varying levels of nicotine, some of which can be similar to levels in cigarettes.
Congratulations, you got something right. But of course not everything. Actually it's the e-juice that contain nicotine and one e-cigarette can be used with both nicotine and non-nicotine e-juice. When it comes to nicotine being an addictive drug... well I know most people accept this as the truth... but what about the medical expertise? Have a look at these two posts:

What exactly am I inhaling when I use e-cigarettes?

About 500 e-cigarette brands are available today, but only a few have been analysed. A lack of knowledge about the contents of the inhaled mixture is linked to the problem of quality standards. Nevertheless, sufficient evidence shows that e-cigarettes’ aerosol is not just a water vapour, as the industry usually claims. The literature shows a great variety in the levels of the toxicants and nicotine produced by e-cigarettes.
The aerosol usually contains cancer-causing compounds (such as formaldehyde), but at levels 1–2 orders of magnitude lower than those in tobacco smoke. E-cigarettes are therefore likely to be less toxic than conventional cigarettes. Nevertheless, the levels of carcinogenic agents in some of the analysed brands are as high as those in the smoke produced by some cigarettes.
In addition, user behaviour – length of puffs, depth of inhalation and frequency of use – may affect nicotine absorption. Some users modify e-cigarettes at home to alter the delivery of nicotine and/or other drugs. Products vary widely in the ease with which they can be modified or filled with substances other than nicotine solutions.
First of all, no one in the industry claims that e-cigs aerosol is just water vapor. Again, a lie placed there to demonize the industry. Then there is the levels of toxicants. Here they're not straight out lying... the literature shows a great variety, but what they fail to mention (of course) is that the vast majority of the levels measured varies from zero to microscopic compared to cigarette smoke. "The aerosol usually contains cancer-causing compounds (such as formaldehyde)" - and we're back to lying again. This is simply not true. Some flawed studies found formaldehyde when using an e-cig. Even the authors of this study admits this is not what the aerosol usually contains. And in the next sentence the WHO even explains why... the user can control their use and who in their right mind would use it in a way that would taste like shit and cause them harm? And of course they manage to end the paragraph with some more demonizing crap about modding e-cigs for drug abuse. Lets ban plastic bottles cause they can be used to do drugs shall we?

Are e-cigarettes safer to use than cigarettes and other tobacco products?

No, using e-cigarettes carries some health risks.
These devices have become popular over the last 4–5 years. Little is known about the impact of e-cigarettes on health. As they contain fewer toxicants at lower levels than conventional cigarettes, e-cigarettes are likely to be less toxic. Nobody knows, however, how much less toxic they are.
Nevertheless, nicotine can affect brain development in fetuses and in adolescents, may contribute to cardiovascular diseases and may promote tumours, playing a role in malignant diseases. In addition, reports from both the United Kingdom and the United States of America indicate that the incidence of nicotine poisoning has risen significantly as the use of e-cigarettes has increased.
Further, there is evidence of health risks from the toxicants in e-cigarettes’ aerosol. While long-term effects, such as links to cancer and other diseases, will not be known conclusively for some years, enough evidence indicates that these toxins are of concern for pregnant women who either use or are exposed to e-cigarettes.
So... in one paragraph they say that e-cigarette aerosol "contains cancer-causing compounds (such as formaldehyde), but at levels 1–2 orders of magnitude lower than those in tobacco smoke." Then they say it's as harmful as smoking tobacco? What is this? An attempt to keep people smoking? Even the most stubborn anti-e-cig advocates I've seen asked about this admit that e-cigs are safer than tobacco cigarettes. There are other things, like the gateway theory (we'll get to that further down), that concerns them. But saying that e-cigarettes are not safer (by denying that they are safer like the WHO does here) is again, lying. Try to find a medical professional that is willing to publicly claim that e-cigarette aerosol is as dangerous as tobacco smoke. You won't find any. The WHO knows this very well... so they haven't even bothered trying. As for the rest of the paragraph... they are focusing on harm to people that everyone, the users, the industry, commentators and e-cig advocates agree that should not use nicotine (like fetuses for example). To finish of they are trying to make us believe in a thing they call second-hand vaping, for which there are NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER! In 4-5 years with all the money big pharma and the WHO has used to try and find such evidence, the fact that they haven't been able to is a VERY STRONG indication this in fact does not exist.

What are the health risks of using e-cigarettes?

According to WHO’s 2014 report, “Electronic nicotine delivery systems”, the main health risks from e-cigarette use come from the inhaling of nicotine and other toxic emissions from these products, either directly or second-hand.

  1. Nicotine is the addictive component of tobacco. It can have adverse effects during pregnancy and may contribute to cardiovascular diseases. Although nicotine itself is not a carcinogen, it may function as a tumour promoter. Nicotine seems to be involved in fundamental aspects of the biology of malignant diseases, as well as of neurodegeneration. In addition, fetal and adolescent nicotine exposure can have long-term consequences for brain development. In addition to inhalation, the main health risk from nicotine exposure is overdose by ingestion or through skin contact. Users fill e-cigarettes’ containers themselves, so they, not the manufacturers, set the levels of nicotine. Nicotine poisoning can result from the liquid’s accidentally coming into contact with users’ skin or ingestion by children. The United States and the United Kingdom have already seen a tremendous increase in reported nicotine poisoning, often involving children.
  2. Although e-cigarettes are likely to be less toxic than conventional cigarettes, they produce more than just water vapour. They contain some cancer-causing agents, such as formaldehyde, which in some brands reach concentrations close to those of some conventional cigarettes. E-cigarettes’ impact on health has not yet been determined.
  3. Finally, the use of e-cigarettes increases the level of nicotine and particulate matter (PM) in the air. There is no safe level of exposure to PM for bystanders, and the health risk multiplies with increasing concentrations.
In summary, the existing evidence shows that e-cigarette use poses serious threats to adolescents and fetuses, and increases exposure of nonsmokers and bystanders to nicotine and a number of toxicants. Nevertheless, the reduced exposure to toxicants of well regulated e-cigarettes, used by established adult smokers as a complete substitution for cigarettes, is likely to be less toxic for the smokers than conventional cigarettes or other combusted tobacco products. The amount of risk reduction, however, is unknown.
This shows how outdated the WHO is. It has been proven that nicotine in itself (without other substances in tobacco) is not very addictive. I notice they also drag the children into this, that of course will drink e-juice and die. Here's a list of other common ways for children to die: http://www.poison.org/prevent/common.asp. This is just a matter of irresponsible parents, like with all the other dangerous products we keep in our houses.

To really make this scary enough for big pharmas taste, add some second-hand vaping (which does not exist) and particulate matter (which is also a fabricated issue).

Can I be addicted to e-cigarettes?

E-cigarettes may carry a risk of addiction to nicotine and tobacco products among young people and nonsmokers. They may promote delaying of quitting smoking, or deter quitting.
As I said above, nicotine in itself is not very addictive, and even if it was, that wouldn't mean it would make you addicted to tobacco while you're at it. There is just no plausible explanation to why this should happen. Why the hell would e-cigarettes, a product designed to help people quit smoking, promote or delay quitting? The only explanation I can find for this is that the WHO simply don't count switching to e-cigs as quitting. Let's see ... how should I put this ... VAPING AND SMOKING IS NOT THE SAME THING!

Does WHO say e-cigarettes are helpful or harmful?

Sufficient evidence shows that e-cigarettes are hazardous to young people, pregnant women and people who do not use nicotine. At the same time, e-cigarettes are likely to be less toxic than cigarettes for adult smokers if product content is well regulated and if the smokers use them as a complete substitution for cigarettes. The latter would mean that e-cigarettes would have to be relatively effective as a quitting aid, which there is not yet enough evidence to prove.
For all these reasons, WHO can neither dismiss nor accept the use of e-cigarettes globally without further evidence, and regulation is necessary in the meantime both to protect the public from any potential ill effects and to ensure that these products do not contribute to the tobacco epidemic.
So, e-cigarettes are less toxic than cigarettes then? And if people start using them as complete substitutes for cigarettes you say that would mean they are relatively effective quitting aids? But you lack evidence of this happening? Well.... I'm your evidence, my colleagues are evidence, some of my friends are evidence, my wife is evidence... in fact several million people have done this. How many million people have to do this before you acknowledge it as evidence?

Can e-cigarettes help me quit smoking?

For now the evidence is inconclusive. Given the uncertainty about e-cigarettes’ safety and effectiveness as an aid to quitting, rigorous study is needed by independent research organizations that are not affiliated with the e-cigarette or tobacco industry. In coming years, a solid body of evidence is expected to be built that will allow a definitive conclusion to be drawn.
At present, no governmental agency has yet evaluated and approved an e-cigarette product for smoking cessation, although the United Kingdom’s Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency is reviewing some products.
Before considering e-cigarettes as a potential cessation aid, smokers should be encouraged to use a combination of already approved treatments. Nevertheless, experts suggest that appropriately regulated e-cigarettes may have a role to play in supporting some smokers who have failed cessation treatment, been intolerant to it or have refused to use conventional medication.
Again... millions of people is not enough? Seriously... there must be some reason you refuse to see this right? Oh...

What products should I use to quit smoking?

For adults, WHO recommends licensed forms of nicotine replacement therapy (NRT): a therapeutic nicotine-delivery device produced under strict medical regulations for completely quitting smoking, with clear instructions on dosage, duration and methods of use. NRT (such as nicotine gum and the nicotine patch) delivers nicotine through skin or the lining of the mouth, and at lower levels and a much slower rate than smoking, which involves inhaling nicotine into the lung.
While the nicotine in e-cigarettes does not pose additional health risks for adult smokers, the evidence for the devices’ effectiveness as a method of quitting is limited and requires further research.
....you rather want people to quit by using the NRTs that your friends in Big Pharma makes and earns a lot of money by selling, even if they don't work? But don't these also contain the same nicotine that will get you addicted to tobacco? You can't explain? Well I don't blame you...

Does using e-cigarettes harm other people?

No studies currently link the exhaled aerosol from e-cigarettes to specific diseases, but it contains nicotine and particulate matter (PM): the tiny particles to which some toxicants are attached. In addition, when a user exhales this aerosol into indoor air, the background level of PM and nicotine rises.
The inhalation of nicotine by nonsmokers, adolescents and pregnant women not only leads to addiction but has also been linked to some cardiovascular problems in adults. In addition, fetal and adolescent nicotine exposure can have long-term consequences for brain development.
WHO has long maintained that there is no safe level of PM, so levels should be minimized as far as possible, regardless of their source.
Ugh... see above... 

Is e-cigarette use a gateway to smoking for young people?

As young people account for a growing proportion of e-cigarette users, antitobacco experts are concerned that e-cigarette use can serve as a gateway for them to nicotine addiction and ultimately smoking. The literature shows that experimentation with e-cigarettes among adolescents doubled in 2008–2012. One of the presumed reasons for this can be the great variety of flavours of e-cigarettes (up to 8000 are available), including flavours like those of fruit, candy and alcoholic drinks. These could entice young people to experiment with e-cigarettes and then become addicted to nicotine.

The gateway theory seems to be one hell of a floater. No matter how many times we flush it down the toilet it keeps on coming back. Further up we established that WHO needs millions of people to do something to call it evidence for it happening regularly. Well... they haven't found a single smoker that started out vaping. Not one... zero. Nada! Until they do, you can safely dismiss this last paragraph as pure and utter bullshit, by the logic of the WHO. The gateway theory, if valid would in fact be very easy to prove... you just have to show that people start vaping and move on to smoking tobacco. Easy as that. So why can't you? Cause it's just not happening!

VaporVial Fivepawns

Wednesday, 11 February 2015

Review: Smok XPro M50

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A week ago I was going on a business trip to Oslo where the company I work for was throwing a huge "kick-off" party (which they do every year). This meant getting on a plane and I had to wear a suit to the party, both something that meant I had to put some thought into what kind of vaping equipment to bring. Lately I've been using mostly my SubTank and Nautilus when I've been out and about, simply because they are easy to fill, easy to change heads on and they're not leaking even if I put them upside down, so they would be the perfect tanks to bring along. But... I've been using them with my Sigelei 100W and now I figured this would be a bit to big and heavy to bring along, especially since I was forced to wear a suit to the party as well, meaning ... limited pocket space. I needed something a bit lighter and smaller and with at least 30W of power, since I mostly run the SubTank at 25W. It was only one day left until departure and I was wondering how the hell I was going to get a new device in such short time. But luckily we have our own local vapeshop where I live now, so I got in touch with Birger who runs dampoteket.no. I was actually looking to get an iStick 30W but Birger had just gotten an upgraded version of the Smok XPro M50 and suggested that I tried that. Since Dampoteket is located only like a 20 minute drive from where I live, I actually ended up trying out the XPro the night before departure... happy giraffe.

Some specifications:
  • Aluminum box
  • LED display that shows how much battery is left, resistance, watts and volts
  • Charging Protected
  • Short-circuit protected
  • 510 link
  • Pass Through
  • 65W
  • Fires atomizers with resistance between 0.2 and 4.0 ohms
  • Size: 85x38x22 mm
  • Runs on one 18650 battery (NB not supplied, and you should use a proper battery that can withstand at least 20A output, for example Sony VTC4 or VTC5).
 
As I said this is an upgraded version of the XPro M50. The
most noteworthy upgrades are of course is that it now can go up to 65W, but also the Pass Through functionality, which means you can use it while charging. Very handy when you are on the PC.

In the box:

  • The mod itself
  • Manual (in English)
  • Charging cable
  • 4 extra screws (one must unscrew the bottom to put in the battery)
  • A 510 to Ego adapter
  • A Allen key
Design and looks:
XPro M50/65 actually looks pretty good. From the looks of it it comes in a lot of different colors. I got the black version and to be completely honest, I think it looks best in black. Simple and elegant, with only a small logo on each side.


In use:
Part of the reason that I got in touch with dampoteket in the first place was that I wanted a smaller and lighter regulated mod. And that was exactly what I got. XPro50/65 is not really much bigger than it needs to be to accommodate the electronics and 18650 battery. When it comes to performance it simply delivers what it is asked to deliver ... up to 65W of course. However the mod will reduce power when the battery starts to drain. At 50-60% battery you're only able to run around 40W and then further down to around 25W at 20% battery. The way I've used it it's not a problem, but this might be an issue for some people who wants a mod that can run 65W all the way. So it might not be for everyone, but if you're planning to use it for the Nautilus, Atlantis, Sub-tank or any tank that thrives at around 25W this won't be a problem. I've not tried it with any atomizers with resistances outside the spec, but I've been down to 0.3 Ohms and it runs just fine.

Setting the watts is pretty straight forward. When you hold the + or - it starts counting up or down quite slowly, but increase the pace gradually. But it never goes so fast that it is difficult to stop where you had intended to stop. It also has an option to run in "Mech mode", just outputting whatever voltage your battery is at. When you're in this mode the mod will display how many watts you're vaping on. To put it in this mode you'll have to enter the menu by clicking the fire button 3 times. In the menu there is also an option to turn the mod completely off. You can also lock the mod so it doesn't fire in your pocket by clicking the fire button 5 times quickly. To unlock, or turn the mod on if it's off, 5 clicks on fire is also the way to go. Works really quite well once you get used to it.

As I said the I really like the pass through functionality. The USB port, however, is located on the bottom side of the box, which is a little inconvenient since you can't let the mod stand upright while charging. Then again, if you use a tank that can lay on the side without leaking this really isn't a big deal. The supplied charging cable could also have been a little longer, but not a big problem either. It's a standard micro-USB connection so it is possible to buy a longer cable if you wish.




Conclusion:
Smok XPro M65 is a quite small, yet very powerful box mod. Pricewise it's slightly above the iStick 30W, but in return you get twice as many watts. It's an ideal companion for tanks like Kanger SubTank or Aspire Atlantis. It's small and light considering how many watts it delivers and certainly worth the money. For my Norwegian readers, dampoteket offers this at around 598 NOKs, shipping included. I don't think dampoteket.no ships outside Norway, but the it's not very hard to find a shop that will sell you one. Thanks to Birger at dampoteket.no who saved my trip to Oslo.


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Tuesday, 10 February 2015

The cost of plain packaging in Norway: Make e-cigs legal

Yesterday one of the big stories in Norwegian media was that our health minister, Bent Høie, wants to introduce plain packaging here in Norway. He is on a mission to get people to quit smoking and to stop young people from starting so his plan is to make the cigarette and snus packaging as ugly as possible. As many of you know, snus is legal in Norway and Sweden, but even though it has been given credit for Swedens record low cancer rates, Høie is also going after the snus-boxes and wants them to be ugly as well. Kind of weird when he states this on a press conference with the Norwegian Cancer Society (http://goo.gl/CHHx5e):
Many have replaced smoking with snus. That means that a lot of young people are starting to use tobacco, says Bent Høie, that also states that using snus is less harmful than smoking, adding that 20 percent of young girls is unable to quit when they get pregnant.
As I've emphasized above it's clear that Høie has not quite understood the concept of harm reduction.

However, it might seem that Høies crusade to introduce plain packaging has sparked up the e-cigarette debate again here in Norway. Harald Tom Nesvik from Frp, which is the other party in Norways government (in addition to Høie's party Høyre) said this to one of Norway's biggest newspapers yesterday:
Frp has not yet taken a position to the Health minister's proposal, we will do that later in a group meeting. Personally I think it is pretty intrusive in the trading of an after all legal product. But as a minimum for supporting this, it has to become legal to sell e-cigarettes in Norway.
So what does that mean? Well, it means that if Nesvik's statements becomes Frp's position on this matter, and if Høie wants Frp's support for plain packaging (which he needs to make it happen) he will have to make e-cigarettes, with nicotine, legal for sale here in Norway. Well that is kind of a surprising turn of events. It's still very unclear though, what Frp actually mean by repealing the sales ban. They are talking about making it legal as a smoking cessation product, whatever that might mean. And they still need the support of other parties, so as of now it is quite unclear what this will lead to. But at least the debate is in the media again. In an editorial in the same newspaper, VG, they make it very clear what their position on the matter is, which is very positive as this is one, if not the biggest newspaper here and winning the media is the key to winning this battle:
It had been far more appropriate to devote time and resources to help those who want to quit by easing rules for the trading of e-cigarettes.
Now I want to finish this post by making it clear that I by no means support the government parties, Høyre and Frp, and I would never vote for them even if they would make vaping legal in a wisely regulated form overnight. There are a lot of more important cases than vaping, and these parties are also the ones responsible for sending a lot of families with children out of the safety here in Norway and back to an uncertain future in countries ravaged by war. I'm not going to go into a long political rant here, but their efforts to wipe out everything that has made Norway one of the safest and best countries to live in is by no means something I'd support... ever. But still, the current situation is that they are the government parties right now, and if they repeal the ban on e-cigarette sales, it's better than if they didn't, even if I would much rather have seen it done by another political party.

CosmicCharlieVapingBirdy